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Help with setting up a Flying Fifteen
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29 Nov 2015 11:59 AM
    Hi, hope I am writing this in the appropriate post. I am building a Flying Fifteen 4034(flyingfifteenpacific.blogspot.com/) in Hawaii and I would like to know if there is anyone I could speak with by phone on setting it up. I have a calling card to reach the UK. I have never actually seen a flying fifteen and I am left to search photos to understand the configuration of controls. I am planning to order a Selden Alto mast/boom with Goacher main/genoa sails and to setup with basic controls. If you have time I could contact you and get some insight to...well the details are endless.

    Thanks, Robert Wyman
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    28 Jan 2016 08:59 AM
    Hi, I have some specific questions on the flying fifteen:
    --Where do the Main and Genoa halyards terminate? Is there a cleat at the mast step?
    --For the Genoa is the mast tension adjusted by applying tension with the halyard? It appears some of these are controlled from the console.
    --Are there flying fifteens without self bailers mounted through the bottom of the hull? I am looking for possible methods such as manual pump etc.
    --With flying fifteen trailers is all of the load carried through the keel or do the side supports carry any vertical load?
    --Is there a known approximate max load applied to the mast by the ram mechanism?

    I appreciate any input. Robert Wyman
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    28 Jan 2016 05:57 PM
    Hi there Robert.

    An interesting project!

    I can answer some of your questions as follows:

    1. --Where do the Main and Genoa halyards terminate? Is there a cleat at the mast step?

    On most modern boats the Main halyard exits the mast through a hole midway between the mast foot and the deck on the starboard side. From there it goes via one or two cleats and through a block. This allows you to tension the halyard by pulling it upwards rather than downwards.

    The Genoa halyard is also the rig tension of course - so you need to be able to load it up easily. Typically this is a wire and rope (or dynema type line) affair that exits the mast above deck level. A loop in the wire then attaches to a hook running on a wire (or dynema, etc.) one end of which is fixed at the mast foot; the other end of which turns through a block at the mast foot and runs under the cockpit sole to a triple block arrangement which it used to apply tension. The aft end of the block arrangement is lead back and up to the typically front of the console where it is jammed with a clam cleat.

    2. --Are there flying fifteens without self balers mounted through the bottom of the hull? I am looking for possible methods such as manual pump etc.

    I have never seen a FF without self balers. Older FFs used to fill with water and it was hard to sail them dry so on 2663 we did used to carry a manual pump as well. However modern FFs take on a lot less water and it is usually possible to sail them dry because if there is water coming into the boat there's usually enough wind to make effective use of self balers.

    If there is water in the boat after sailing letting it out via a baler is much easier than buckets and sponges!

    3. --With flying fifteen trailers is all of the load carried through the keel or do the side supports carry any vertical load?

    Then keel carries all the load. The side bars and supports are just used to keep the boat in position while launching or towing.

    4. --Is there a known approximate max load applied to the mast by the ram mechanism?

    I don't know the answer to this one. You'd need to talk to Ovington or Pinnel & Bax to see if they can help.

    There are three very modern boats at my club (Chew Valley Lake SC). I will endeavour to get some photographs of the internal layouts and label them up for you so you've got a plan to work to. This may take a few weeks.

    Kind regards

    Mike





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    29 Jan 2016 08:26 AM
    Hello Mike.

    This is very helpful, thank you very much. I am hoping to receive a mast/boom and sails kit from Pin&Bax by late February if all goes well. I will now know better what I am looking at in photos from your descriptions. I greatly appreciate you taking time to send some pictures. I have scowered the internet but there are things that people never take pictures of.

    Regard,

    Robert
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    29 Jan 2016 08:26 AM
    Hello Mike.

    This is very helpful, thank you very much. I am hoping to receive a mast/boom and sails kit from Pin&Bax by late February if all goes well. I will now know better what I am looking at in photos from your descriptions. I greatly appreciate you taking time to send some pictures. I have scowered the internet but there are things that people never take pictures of.

    Regard,

    Robert
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    06 Feb 2016 10:22 AM
    Hi Robert.

    I haven't forgotten your request - the weather here has been too grim to take the cover off the boat!

    Cheers
    Mike
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    09 Feb 2016 07:19 AM
    Thanks Mike, no problem. We are getting the good weather now. 24 knot winds on Hilo Bay.

    Regards,

    Robert
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    09 Feb 2016 07:19 AM
    Thanks Mike, no problem. We are getting the good weather now. 24 knot winds on Hilo Bay.

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    09 Feb 2016 07:19 AM
    Thanks Mike, no problem. We are getting the good weather now. 24 knot winds on Hilo Bay.

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    Robert
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    09 Feb 2016 10:06 PM
    Hi Robert.
    Here's one to get you going: http://business-internet.co.uk/ff-rigging/

    More to follow.

    Kind regards

    Mike
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    02 May 2016 11:06 PM
    Hi. I have prepared my order for lines using this list:

    https://flyingfifteen.files.wordpre...ollist.pdf

    Towards the end of the list are the Spinnaker sheets. Does anyone know if this is pointing to three different versions? I can not imagine the Spinnaker sheet is 34m long. Any help would be great. Thank you.

    Spinn Sheet, 6mm m/braid 14m
    4mm spectra 20m

    RJ Sheets 18.5m
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    03 May 2016 12:02 PM
    Rob

    The FF String list was originally authored by Phil Evans, who makes his sheets with lightweight tails - hence the two bits of string. I see that I have noted on there that when I measured mine (made by Phil) the length was 18.5 metres, but in my memory there was some debate between Phil and I that he recommended 20m. I'd say that for flat water racing at Datchet, they are easily long enough but I wouldn't go any shorter than 18.5m..... when you want to spill wind in a gust is the testing time. It might also depend on the threading route through the cockpit.

    Best wishes
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    04 May 2016 09:01 AM
    Thanks very much Richard. I was going the wrong direction thinking I needed to have 34 meters of line for the spinnaker! 20 m will be more affordable. I'm running out of pennies. I hope to start the line and rigging late June.

    Regards, Robert Wyman
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    05 Aug 2016 10:08 AM
    Here is a little update on 4034. Tomorrow I am taking it down for checkout with sails etc. There are too many power lines about my house. I wanted to thank you Mike for the assistance. I think I have an approximate F15 fitout to do the job and tomorrow all the lines and mast and sails installation will occur. Next week she may sail if all goes well.

    The rig tension setup will be 12:1 purchase and the block lay accross my keelson. I have got to go somewhere to see this boats in person. It is a bit busy with all those lines.

    Regards, robert
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